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Jun 8th, 2011, 6:40pm
 
Prospero looks different.

Anyone have any comments?

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Reply #1 - Jun 9th, 2011, 5:45am
 
I looked for who the editor was but couldn't find anything.

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Reply #2 - Jun 9th, 2011, 10:42am
 
No "Highlights from Ariel" either.
I don't want to put them down but the very long article "Life after Auntie" could have been a bit shortened to include more and less edited letters.
I wonder what the retired version of "Pravda" (as we used to call Ariel) would be called?

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Reply #3 - Jun 9th, 2011, 5:27pm
 
Didn't they say something about a new look and new editing in the last issue?

From April's Prospero online at:
http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/mypension/en/prospero_april_2011.pdf

Last page (12)
"The Trustees recently appointed a specialist pension communications agency called Wordshop to help produce Prospero."
......... and
"the BBC, says: ‘We have been impressed with the way that Wordshop has helped out with Prospero over the last year on an interim basis. I believe they have already improved the look and structure of the publication, and we look forward to making further
design improvements, which you will begin to see from the next issue."

(my emboldening)
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Reply #4 - Jun 9th, 2011, 5:36pm
 
We were told it was being outsourced to a small publishing firm.   Some tweaks needed, yes, but on the whole isn't it a lot better than the dreary offering Prospero had become lately?    Please tell the "editors" what you want to see, otherwise they'll never know.   I thought the Obits better, the appearance much better, the coverage spread OK but why, oh why, do they have to waste the front page with a huge pic/graphic every time. Why can't we have stories on P1?
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Reply #5 - Jun 10th, 2011, 8:07am
 
Agree on the waste of space on the front page, and with having Ariel abstracts back.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mypension/sites/pensioners/pages/prospero.shtml
says email   : prospero@bbc.co.uk

Which I have!

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Reply #6 - Jul 7th, 2011, 11:17am
 
They've wasted the front page on a piccy again this month!

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Reply #7 - Jul 7th, 2011, 12:06pm
 
Where I am, Prospero won't arrive for a week or two.

One large picture means less work, easier to produce, cheaper to produce.

Equals "Boring".

No named editor to whom we can complain?
Somebody with no conection to the BBC sticking a few articles lifted from Ariel?

Is Prospero worth the paper it's printed on, and the cost of postage?

The powers-that-be don't care anymore.
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Reply #8 - Jul 7th, 2011, 1:28pm
 
Because Prospero has (like most of the beeb) been outsourced to a commercial moneymaking company who have to fill the required number of pages with contributions from retired staff and press releases from the BBC. I guess the Obits pages are now larger just because they are a guaranteed source of page filling (so sad)
Hence no old "BBCish" attitudes to life and the universe.
Rather like the Ariel (sic) pages on the BBC website which have no likeness to or much content from, the original printed version which is still available in the (few) BBC buildings around the place.
i.e. not VH/TFS/WMR/KA in West London.

I would guess that it's days are numbered.

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Reply #9 - Jul 8th, 2011, 1:05pm
 
Amigo, Prospero is online and July's is at ;
http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/mypension/en/prospero_july_2011.pdf

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Reply #10 - Jul 18th, 2011, 9:35pm
 
[quote author=21242D292E400 link=1307558375/0#0 date=1307558375]Prospero looks different.

Anyone have any comments?

Apropos June Hudson's review of "Crumpet goes to Lundy" on back page of last issue of PROSPERO they forgot to include contact email: crumpetgoestolundy@gmail.com

thanks MaggiePS
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Reply #11 - Jul 27th, 2011, 4:59pm
 
Still don't like it!  I don't think they've grasped that Prospero is seen as a link to the "family" we all used to work with at the beeb.

We don't want long, lingering articles or big pictures.  Any further information on a story could surely be added to the website?

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Reply #12 - Aug 5th, 2011, 6:32pm
 
At last there is an address for editorial contributions!

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Reply #13 - Aug 11th, 2011, 11:02am
 
Prospero has gone downhill. It seems to be more interested in design than in content. A whole page is wasted with a front-page picture. This is totally unecessary. Prospero is not on the news-stands in hot competition with other magazines. BBC pensioners are going to read it anyway. So no space should be wasted. It only has to be reasonably attractive - a splash of colour here and there, an odd picture.
The BBC Pensioners' Association put out their news in a few tightly written duplicated run-on  pages, without design, and I know they are closely read.
Prospero's articles are too long, yet we are often told that space is at a premium and that something or other has been held over. What we need is some journalistic expertise. To be honest, the magazine does not now have the feel of having been produced by professional journalists, skilled in the art of sub-editing.
Yes, we like to read of events back at the BBC. But there is little point in devoting so much space to things which have been extensively covered weeks earlier in the mass media, such as the reduction in the D-G's and executives salaries. These should be noted briefly and only additional information, which has not appeared in the press added, if it is of any relevance.
What readers want is news about pensions, reminiscences and obituaries. Some months go by without any references to pensions. (This is of abiding interest to readers"! There can never be too much information. Prospero has a captive audience here)
Memory stuff is of prime interest, too, but must be kept reasonably brief and not splashed over one, or even two, pages, as has happened.  Readers' letters are important, but should be submitted with a maximum number of words rule.
Obituaries are of great interest, but there seem to be a problem. Many deaths go unrecorded.  Yet Prospero say there's not always the room for all those which are written some months. There is a solution. A person I know worked for Barclays. Their monhly magazine records ALL deaths. But briefly in just two lines. For instance:
BLOGGS, John, cashier, Manchester central branch, retired June 1989, died August 2011.
This page is avidly scanned. Then, if a written obituary about the person's career comes in from a colleague, it can be printed later. Surely such information is easily obtainable from the Pensions Department.  
It is good of the BBC to keep Prospero going. It is appreciated. But, having spent the money on it, really, it has become a five-minute read. What we need is information, information, information, not just
a design product, or fillers like the Money column which can be accessed more professionally elsewhere by pensioners.
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Reply #14 - Aug 11th, 2011, 9:37pm
 
I must admit to being one who has made adverse comments about Propero recently. However, in the interests of fairness, I got my rule and calculator out to investigate further and this is what I came up with:-
2007 (April)  out of a total available print area of about 1044 Sq mm
Top part (what is in it) 115 Sq mm = 11%
Side panel (Name and engraving of nice old man) 216 Sq mm = 21%
Photo  713 Sq mm = 68%

2011 (latest)  total 1087 Sq mm
Top part (content equates to old side panel) 203 Sq mm = 19%
Bottom panel (content equates to old top panel) 174 Sq mm = 16%
Photo  710 Sq mm = 65%

So actually things haven't changed much. Although that doesn't mean improvements can't be made.

Mike

PS - I hearby state that I am not (yet) in the pay of Pensions service (well in this matter anyway)  or the publishers
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